Ministry in the Media Matrix

As Though We Are Being Saved

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A summary of last night’s presbytery meeting:

The money’s nearly gone.

The Executive is gone.

Two churches are gone and three more are trying to get gone.

Two pastors are gone, one to a disciplinary action and the other to resignation forced by illness.

Gone, baby, gone.

The gathering diminished throughout the evening, an apparent microcosm of our life as a presbytery. Indeed, of Presbyterianism itself.


Those churches leaving for greener pastures may be kidding themselves, but it’s really easy on nights like this to understand the impulse.

Jump ship.


Screw this.

The best thing that’s ever happened at a NEXT Church gathering was Stacy Johnson’s address in Dallas (embedded below–and made into a clever NEXT promo video here). “There are two ways of living that we know of as Christians,” Johnson said, drawing on 1 Corinthians 1:18. “We can live as those who are perishing or as those who are being saved.”

As those who are perishing . . .

Signs of our perishing are everywhere, perhaps no more evident than at a presbytery meeting like last night’s. Those signs are intrusive and disruptive. They provoke an anxious response, perhaps even a hopeless one.

Yet the message of the gospel is that what looks like perishing can be God’s salvation in disguise. The challenge we face, Johnson said in Dallas, is not first and foremost a cultural or demographic or organizational challenge. As versed as church leaders have become in the language of “adaptive challenges,” the real challenge is the gospel. The real adaptive change we face comes from the good news of life and salvation emerging from death.

So we live as though we are being saved. We invest heavily in a partnership with Presbyterians in Peru. We build networks for collaborative youth ministry. We validate a church’s work with refugees and share it’s costs. All while every outward sign condemns those efforts as futile.

And we gather. Our being saved is evident in our gathering, though these days not as evident as our perishing. Clearly not.

This is how it’s supposed to be, though. Following Jesus is not a strategy for vitality and success. Look at the cross. The hope we have is that our salvation will never be as present as when all signs are pointing to perishing.

Written by Rocky Supinger

November 13, 2013 at 9:15 am

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  1. Speaking of collaborative youth ministry. Check these folks out.



    November 13, 2013 at 9:30 am

    • I forced the “collective” term on my peeps here

      Rocky Supinger

      November 13, 2013 at 10:12 am

      • I love it and I loved the ministry in Bend


        November 14, 2013 at 11:12 am

  2. Also I love this post and perspective.


    November 13, 2013 at 9:30 am

  3. And we will indeed live as if we are saved – because in the midst of what feels like perishing God’s spirit and hand is leading us to new possibilities. Even in the context of a heavy heart, I know this to be true!


    November 13, 2013 at 6:24 pm

  4. Wow. Tough meeting. Not unlike some of ours here in Riverside. Rocky, love your posts. And love doing ministry with you. Thanks for reminding us about being saved. We need to realize that we serve a Christ would, by all accounts, was an abject failure. His movement ending in all his disciples scattering and his dying on the cross. And yet, if you stopped at the Gospels, you wouldn’t have read Acts and all that came after. We are always one step from dying, and one step from resurrection. Keep moving forward, I say. Thanks for a great post and for the youtube.


    November 14, 2013 at 10:18 am

  5. Rocky! ROCKY! do not look at the cross. Yes, the cross is there. Boy it is there plastered on every hymnal and bulletin. And all it’s over our lives too, the sacrifice and death. But no. Don’t look at the cross.


    we are being saved, but we have been saved. And we are saved. because of the miracle of the resurrection which happens every day in all the ways we aren’t looking, and some that we are.

    I am sorry this is a rough time. I wish it were easier. Thanks for the work you do

    Murphy Daley

    November 19, 2013 at 6:42 am

  6. […] for others to say. My most viewed posts in 2013 were “This Hurts” and “As Though We Are Being Saved.” Both of those posts were about ECO and the continuing decline of the Presbyterian Church […]

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